Minutes of the LVRA monthly meeting Monday 8th October 2018

David Rhodes

Minutes of the LVRA Meeting: 20.00 hrs. on Monday, 8 October 2018 at the Top Club

Present: David Hempsall (Secretary), Bob Nicholas (Footpaths Officer), Darryl Nugent (Treasurer), David Rhodes (Socal Media & Liaison officer); Barbara Ashworth, Julian Ashworth, Ian Booth, David Cairns, Ian Cardy, John Dawson, Steve Forsythe, Barbara Gerken, Marie Hargreaves, Ken Iveson, Lewis Pearson, David Pilling, Jean Pilling, Jim Riley, Eric Walton, Bett Watson and Ann White.

Apologies: Karen Hawden, Cllr Alyson Barnes, Derrick Bartlett-Smith, Ann Corkin, David Corkin, Cllr David Foxcroft, Michael Howard and Barbara Walton.

1.        Opening Remarks – Apologies – Thanks

1.1 As Karen was unable to attend, Bob took the chair.

1.2 He pointed out that business from both August and September would be taken.

1.3 In response to his tHanking the Secretary for his notes of the September meeting at which Adrian Smith (Principal Planner with Rossendale Borough Council) had spoken, those attending said they had received neither the Minutes of the September meeting nor an Agenda: it was AGREEDthat the Secretary should look into the matter and that the Minutes of 10 September would be attached to the Minutes of the present meeting; ACTIONby the Secretary.

2.        Minutes of previous Meetings: 13 August and 10 September 2018

2.1 As the Minutes of 10 September were not to hand, it was AGREEDto defer the item

3.        Matters Arising

13 August

3.2 Marking the LVRA’s 10thAnniversary in 2019

3.2.1 Bob advised that the association had been formally constituted on 22 July 2009.

3.2.2 The equivalent date a decade later would fall on a Monday, so he suggested a modest celebration over the preceding weekend and adjusting meetings appropriately.

3.2.3 It was AGREEDthat this should be researched further;ACTIONby officers who would report outcomes to a future meeting.

3.2.4 Ian suggested that any buffet-style event be paid for from existing funds; it was AGREEDthat the proposition be put as and when plans were being finalised.

3.3 St John’s, update: there was nothing further to report.

3.4 Traffic issues, update: cf. Item 4.1.4, infra.

3.4.1 Speed gun training: volunteers: no offers had been forthcoming.

3.4.2 20 mph signs on Commercial Street: the Secretary had received from Alyson a communication from Brenda Gartside of Lancashire County Council Highways: in essence, no 20 mph sign would be mounted on Commercial Street as traffic calming devices – i.e. speed humps – were already in place.

3.4.3 Those affected felt that this response did not address the issue.

6.1 The Glory bus-stop

6.1.1 There was nothing to report on the bus company’s plans.

6.1.2 Bob noted that whilst both the sign and information board had been removed, the bus stop sign had been re-installed but was now hidden by a cover.

6.3 Sports Pitch manhole cover: there was nothing further to report.

6.4 Re-constructed wall near Swinshaw Hall: there was nothing further to report.

10 September

Open discussion; cf Item 5, infra: in the absence of Minutes from the meeting, it was AGREEDthat the item be deferred.

4.        Reports
4.1      Chairman

4.1.1 Karen reported extensive communications with residents, all of whom are concerned by RBC’s Local Plan proposals: some would be looking to move.

4.1.2 It appeared that surveying work on the area south of Commercial Street has already commenced.

4.1.3 198 letters of objection were delivered to Futures Park; the quantum of other communication – either by e-mail or hard copy – is unknown.

4.1.4 Traffic issues (cf. Item 3.1.4, supra) are ongoing, especially speeding on estates and on side streets; experience working in Hyndburn suggested the deployment of yellow Community Speed Concern Area signage might be worth considering.

4.1.5 Karen had received a warm welcome at the Friends’ Meeting House when distributing leaflets; Bob’s recent talk on local history had been particularly well received.

4.2      Secretary

4.2.1 David had written to Adrian Smith, thanking him for his presentation, adding that Adrian will be missed when he moves to a new post in Essex in a few weeks’ time.

4.2.2 Officers had AGREEDto the production and distribution of the mail-shot to all residents; response had been good (cf. Item ,supra).

4.2.3 Officers had submitted a formal association response, as well as their own individual letters.

4.2.4 A press release had been issued; but it had appeared a week later than intended, as was often the case with the Rossendale free press.

4.2.5 A Limey Leader was in preparation: help with copy and securing advertising was sought but no offers were forthcoming.

4.2.6 Darryl commended signing up on the RBC website to receive updates on the progress of the Local Plan.

4.3      Treasurer/Chairman LVAA

4.3.1 Funds stand at £4,178.21,

4.3.2 The allotments were entering the winter phase.

4.3.3 Plans for flagging the community area were in hand, after which a suitable building would be installed.

4.3.4 Plans to develop an apiary were being progressed, helped by funding from the Duchy of Lancaster.

4.4      Footpaths Officer

4.4.1 Bob’s report is shown in full as Annex 1.

4.4.2 Parts of his report may be considered under Item 5, infra.

4.5      Social Media & Liaison Officer

4.5.1 David reported a surge of interest on Facebook number hundreds after publication of the Local Plan.

4.5.2 This, however, contrasted poorly with the 3,500 hits when an instance of crime was broadcast.

4.5.3 As regards the Local Plan, interest majored on: what next?

4.6 LVEG: there was no report.

5. Rossendale Draft Local Plan, Pre-Submission Publication Version, Regulation 19 Consultation, next stages

5.1 In response to a question from Barbara, it was AGREEDthat the RBC schedule, showing where the Regulation 19 consultation sits in the scheme of things, should be attached to the Minutes: ACTIONby the Secretary (Information Fact Sheetattached asAnnex 2).

5.2 When delivering the mail-out, Darryl had encountered “What’s all this about?” on his round; residents felt that RBC had kept them in the dark.

5.3 John compared RBC’s approach with that of LCC which had taken the trouble to mail-shot individuals whose properties bordered Footpath 94.

5.4 Marie spoke warmly of Adrian Smith who, approached by residents over an anomaly in the urban boundary on Goodshaw Lane, had secured a reversion to the previous boundary.

5.5 Marie and Ken said that Goodshavians had felt left out by the absence in the mail-shot to developments on Church Street and Goodshaw Avenue; it seemed Goodshaw had been forgotten.

5.6 Darryl said that any such feeling was misguided and a matter for regret; the mail-shot had been intended to highlight those new and very large developments which would make a particularly harmful impact upon the local environment.

5.7 Ian felt that people are only motivated when they themselves are affected and he was disappointed that commitment to supporting the association was so sparse; simply attending meetings was insufficient.

5.8 There followed a wide-ranging discussion on Church Street and the proposal to build 27 houses on the children’s play area.

5.9 David R said there had been no objections to the Church Street development registered via social media.

5.10 Darryl pointed out that the LVRA did respond to issues raised by residents but that at the September meeting, no one present had raised any concern re the Church Street proposals.

5.11 Ken said that three sites had received no attention at the September meeting whereas the interests of dog-walkers had featured.

5.12 There now existed plans for the development at Broadleys; this had been under discussion for some years.

5.13 David R said that residents of Tameside – like members of the association – were complaining that they too had been kept in the dark by their local authority; such a feeling was very widespread across the country as local authorities’ reaction to central government pressure was of the knee-jerk variety.

5.14 Darryl said that central government directives were the key issue; in Rossendale, scale was a concern.

5.15 David H sympathised with RBC’s position; it was essential that RBC devised a plan; Ribble Valley had not had a plan in place and, as a consequence, the Planning Inspectorate had plonked on Whalley the massive development which had had residents up in arms.

5.16 Bett said that her impression was the Goodshavians did feel that – road issues apart – they had been largely forgotten

5.17 Darryl said that it was a shame if Goodshaw felt this way as it was important that the component parts of what is one ward should remain united; this involves mutual support as between Crawshawbooth, Goodshaw and Loveclough.

5.18 David H agreed, adding that it was a pity that early attempts by the association to get all three communities involved had been unsuccessful although the LVRA will always strive to achieve that aim.

5.19 Marie asked why the 1400 homes currently vacant could not be reckoned in to any equation; unfortunately, the rules and regulations precluded this, as Adrian had explained.

5.20 In answer to Bett, Darryl said that the precise styles of housing would be a matter for developers when submitting their plans to the Development Control Committee.

6. Any Other Business

6.1 Ian wondered why the 20 mph signs either side of Crawshawbooth Primary School were of the advisory rather than the mandatory type.

7. Next Meetings and Close

7.1 It was AGREEDthat the next meeting (including AGM) would take place at 20.00 hrs on Monday, 12 November at the Top Club.

7.2 Thereafter the now usual pattern of utilising the 2ndMonday of each month will continue, so that meetings in 2018/19 are expected to be held as follows: 10 December; 14 January 2019; 11 February; 11 March; 8 April; 13 May; 10 June; 8 July; 12 August; 9 September; 14 October; 11 November (including AGM); 9 December.

Annex 1 Footpaths Officer

As the meeting really is dominated by the prospect of the area being overwhelmed by new housing my report to the meeting also concerns in part this situation. I did a simple calculation applying the area of land covered by H13 (to the rear of Commercial Street) and then applied this to all the available land that would possibly be suitable for building on between the Borough boundary with Burnley and the village boundary stone (including the sites (H13 – H 4 – H 17). This method revealed that this corridor of land would accommodate approximately (and this may be on the low side) 361 separate housing units. And despite what the Council may say about restricting development it will happen. This is exactly what the area will eventually have and more once development starts on (H13) or any of the other sites to the west because the genie will be well and truly out of the bottle. The number of housing units given above I believe will be the thin edge of a very considerable wedge as, let’s face it, there is plenty of prime building land to the west side of the River Limey.

Surveying of potential building sites (as mentioned in our Chair’s report) has not only been restricted to site (H13) but people have also been observed and recorded surveying land near the site of the old Baptist chapel at Loveclough, the field below Swinshaw Hall, the fields adjacent to the Old School House and properties along the main road. This is in addition to the land adjacent to the allotments site and Goodshawfold which was noticed some little time ago. It would seem that our village and valley along with everyone’s way of life is under threat as never before.

While we still have some green countryside left to enjoy the second part of my report is about footpath matters and the LVRA. If I had been delivering a normal report it may well have been entitled the horizontal tree report! Since the gales in September I have received seven reports of fallen trees (or parts of) blocking footpaths, some on my patch and some further afield and all have been reported to Lancashire County Council.

Actual work on the footpaths has been somewhat curtailed for various reasons but I hope to play catch up in the coming months. On matters regarding the LVRA I have been spending the Association’s money (yet again) this time on renewing our insurance for 2018/19. As suggested by our Treasurer if the Association is not going to hold any functions like the annual fete in future the cover we have could perhaps be looked at.

And last but not least Crawshawbooth Library is open for business. There does seem to be some confusion about opening times so I have put a list of times at the end of this report. Any blanks in opening times are caused by lack of volunteers: the more they have the more they can open and the more services they can provide. And you can also drop in for a cup of tea, a biscuit and a chat if you want to – you don’t have to borrow books – but please use the library – and volunteer if you can.

Session Times









10.00am – 12 noon

10.00am – 12 noon

10.00am – 12 noon

10.00am – 12 noon

With Lego




1.00 – 3.00pm

Story Time

1.00 – 3.00pm

Reserved for

Talking Newspaper



3.00 – 5.30pm

Craft Activities

3.00 – 5.00pm

With Lego


Reserved for

Talking Newspaper

Annex 2

Annex 2